i saw that before! ye i remember rofl! when i read the title, i didn't believe it until i saw it, damn...! the ref fucked up big time lmao!!

if i was the ref, even if i have 0 experience i would stop the fight!! maybe the fighter was his friend!

I really don't get what you guys are going on about... first, Kristie didn't "win" anything. He was attempting a submission, and the bell rang before the ref stopped it, so it's irrelevant whether or not he was out. Second, you even have reporters out there getting choked out for the heck of it, and you think a professional fighter can't bounce right back off one to keep fighting? It's not like he got a concussion. Even 4-minute-long chokes have disputed long-term effects, never mind seconds (yeap, just looked it up). Bottom line, he was deemed fit to continue a fight he had not lost, and medically speaking, rightly so. So much so that he won. Even winning you guys question the ref and the doc? C'mon...

What's "classy" about accusing a fellow forum member, who joined and donated to the forum some three years ago, of being a "troll", just because he happened to read this thread and, honestly surprised by the consensus he encountered, chose to disagree with it, albeit passionately and maybe with excessive familiarity, regardless of it being his first post, as he's not one for introduction formalities?

I definitely advise a measure of introspection from anyone who thinks my post was "trollish". They might find they incur in overzealousness and hypersensitivity. Personally, I feel aggravated by that childish accusation, and hold you as the proper "troll" here.

As for actual arguments as to why the fight should've been stopped (as opposed to knee-jerk preconceptions, common to unusual situations), I'm still open to them, as trolls obviously are, if I am one.

You know there was nothing inflammatory about my post (at least the first one). It’s not my fault if you’re used to dealing with trolls, and now everything looks like trolling to you. Personally, I think you should own your mistake like a man. Anyhoo…



First of all, tapping isn’t rocket science. Those were clearly strikes. No referee would ever consider them “tapping”, unless they were being overzealous, and they would definitely be criticized for it. And you know the rules, the round’s not over until the bell rings, or the ref stops it. If you have a problem with those rules, that’s another matter, but being unconscious at the bell does not suffice. He wasn’t clearly unconscious, not by a long shot. Recently there was fight where the fighter was “unconscious” and still punching the other guy, can’t remember who. Sometimes, the body goes full-auto and no one can tell. Certainly can't blame the ref for it.



How would you know? How many times have you seen a fight where this happened? Enough to make a statistical argument? I doubt it. And what "state"? You could notice a "state" when the fight resumed? I've seen many obvious "states" from guys being punched silly in the previous round, and they keep fighting, regardless of how "in their favor" the fight seems to be going. Yes, your argument was that silly.



So you’re impressionable, I get it. But what you’re not, is a doctor. If you know “twitching legs” are a sign of significant brain damage (even remotely comparable to getting kicked in the head, which by itself doesn't stop fights), by all means explain the mechanism behind it. I’m pretty sure it’s just a temporary and “normal” nerve misfire.



You understood the point perfectly. Anything that wouldn’t allow a professional fighter to continue, wouldn’t even be dreamed of being done to reporters so casually. That’s just common sense. Any light punch these guys get wouldn’t be done to anyone else for curiosity sake. Because even those have actual consequences.



Pretty much. But don’t take my word for it… I know what you'll find if you bother to look it up. Or do you simply not research online so you won't be a "Dr. Google"?



That’s simply untrue, and doesn’t even begin to compare to actual and frequent brain damage caused from even moderate strikes. It’s so different it’s not even funny. Medical publications only refer to anoxia dangers from minutes of oxygen deprivation. Mere seconds isn’t even clinically relevant.



The issue is that your criteria for chokes is totally unreasonable, in light of the brain damage from strikes fighters suffer constantly.



You were the only one whining about it. And you chose to whine about it merely for the sake of pissing on my opinion.

Nick Lembo's opinion is noted, but we know fighters are constantly saved by the bell. That "official platitude" doesn't belong in MMA reality. Again, the criteria that separates strikes from submissions in this matter isn't properly explained. It's just assumed obvious, when it isn't.



And then we have an MMAjunkie.com medical expert... that for some reason has more authority to you than a couple of doctors who are veteran officials in Massachusetts.



Which is ultimately an oxymoron...



Fact of the matter is, fighters have died from strike trauma, heart attacks... but to my knowledge, never from "oxygen deprivation to the brain". Hyping about "death" from something that never caused it, while allowing what has caused it, and clearly messes people up to continue all the same is just retarded...