I initially scored it for Diaz 48-47 (R1,R2,R5) then had it for Condit 48-47 with him getting R1,R3,R4. It was such a close fight tho. I don't understand the bitching of fans saying Condit ran away and Diaz was demolishing him. I just don't get it... but hey just my opinion
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:10 am
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Congrats to all the winners...Can't remember when there was so many This was the one I missed...
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Main event I had Diaz to win. It could have went either way same as the Kos fight. Both went to the judges and both were toss ups IMO. You could make arguments for either fighter but I didn't care for Diaz's attitude when he lost. Shouldn't leave it to the judges buddy, suck it up and don't be a baby!
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:39 am
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Bangtail wrote:
Congrats to all the winners...Can't remember when there was so many This was the one I missed...
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Main event I had Diaz to win. It could have went either way same as the Kos fight. Both went to the judges and both were toss ups IMO. You could make arguments for either fighter but I didn't care for Diaz's attitude when he lost. Shouldn't leave it to the judges buddy, suck it up and don't be a baby!
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Agreed man. In my missed picks I had Pierce and Diaz. I did actually score it live for Pierce but very close. Same with Diaz I had it live for Diaz 48-47 but upon rewatch I had it for Condit 48-47 but then again very very close.
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:58 pm
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Once again congratulations to the winners. You can find all post fight news related to the event under the SPOILERS tab.
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Stephen Thompson, Dustin Poirier, Fabricio Werdum and Roy Nelson each earned $65,000 fight-night bonuses for their performances at Saturday's UFC 143 event.
Thompson earned the night's "Knockout of the Night" award, Poirier picked up the "Submission of the Night" bonus, and Werdum and Nelson earned "Fight of the Night" honors.
MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) learned of the bonus winners and award amounts at UFC 143's post-fight press conference.
UFC 143 took place at Las Vegas' Mandalay Bay Events Center. The main card aired on pay-per-view, and FX and Facebook carried the prelims.
Thompson earned his award with a vicious head-kick KO in the night's opening bout on Facebook. The striker, who moved to MMA after a 57-0 pro kickboxing record, blasted Dan Stittgen with a clean shot to head and prompted a first-round KO stoppage.
Poirier used a combination mounted triangle choke and armbar to get the first-round tap-out from injury replacement and UFC newcomer Max Holloway in a featured preliminary-card bout on FX. The featherweight contender now has won five straight fights, including four in the UFC.
Werdum and Nelson fought in the PPV co-headliner. Although Nelson was game and survived some vicious knees, Werdum ultimately took the unanimous-decision victory via 30-27 scores. It was his first fight in the UFC in more than three years following a recent stint in Strikeforce.
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UFC president Dana White understands why Nick Diaz is upset, even if he doesn't agree with the fighter's belief that he won Saturday's UFC 143 main event.
He also understands if Diaz goes through with an announced retirement, even if he thinks it'd be financially foolish to do so.
Quite simply, White has given up on trying to predict the 28-year-old's often-erratic behavior.
"You never know with Nick Diaz," White said. "You never know. I think he's just upset right now, and I think he's emotional, but who knows?"
Diaz (27-8 MMA, 7-5 UFC) suffered a unanimous-decision loss to Condit (28-5 MMA, 5-1 UFC) at UFC 143. Saturday's pay-per-view fight, which took place at Las Vegas' Mandalay Bay Events Center, saw Condit implement the perfect game plan for defeating one of MMA's most effective and relentless fight styles. Condit stuck, move, struck and reset to frustrate Diaz over the five-round fight, which earned Condit the UFC's interim welterweight title and a future unification bout with recovering titleholder Georges St-Pierre.
Soon after the scores were read – Condit earned the victory via 48-47, 49-46 and 49-46 scores – the fiery Diaz praised his opponent but didn't hide his contempt for the situation.
"You guys pay me a [expletive] load of money, but I don't think I'm getting enough to keep going on," he said. "I don't need this [expletive]. I pushed this guy backward, and he ran from me the whole fight. He ran the whole fight.
"I landed the harder shots. He ran the whole time. He kicked me in the leg with little baby leg kicks the whole fight. That's the way [you] win in here, so I don't want to play this game no more."
According to FightMetric, Condit outlanded Diaz 159-117 (including 151-105 in significant strikes). Diaz had a slight edge with head and body shots, but Condit's low kicks – he outlanded Diaz 68-6 in that department – surely played a large part in the final scores.
The loss snapped Diaz's 11-fight win streak and was his first defeat since a contentious TKO defeat (due to facial cuts) to K.J. Noons more than four years ago in EliteXC. After subsequently emerging as Strikeforce's dominant longtime champion and then returning to the UFC, where he beat down B.J. Penn at UFC 137, he's emerged as one of MMA's biggest stars.
That's why White thinks it'd be shortsighted to call it quits now.
"Let me tell you what: The kid's made a lot of money," he said. "If he didn't want to do it anymore, maybe he could retire. But why? He's in his prime. Fight for a few more years, and he'll have enough money to really do it and kick back the rest of his life."
Diaz often has shared his disdain for the sport, specifically judging and what he calls the politics of the fight game. He's also notoriously undependable ahead of fight time; he lost a title shot with St-Pierre in October after no-showing a pair of pre-event press conference, and White said he inexplicably missed three flights for UFC 143 before he finally arrived in Sin City for this weekend's event.
So while White thinks Diaz ultimately will rescind his retirement offer – after all, the UFC boss didn't count out the possibility of an immediate rematch with Condit – he thinks it's for the best if the fighter's passion is gone.
"I think once he goes home and realizes and calms downs – look, Nick Diaz is a fighter," he said. "I don't see Nick Diaz retiring, but who knows? This isn't one of those sports where you want to be half in, half out.
"If that's how you feel, maybe you should retire."
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The Ultimate Fighting Championship's own media notes on Brazilian bantamweight Renan Barao (28-1 MMA, 3-0 UFC) sum it up nicely: "Has best record, on paper, in all of MMA."
On Saturday night, Barao earned his 28th-straight win by downing onetime title-challenger Scott Jorgensen via unanimous decision.
The 24-year-old is now 5-0 under the Zuffa banner, and while UFC president Dana White isn't ready to grant him a title shot just yet, he admits the Nova Uniao product is quickly becoming one of Brazil's most popular fighters.
"He's got an incredible streak going," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "He's the buzz right now in Brazil. Everybody's buzzing about that guy. We'll see what happens."
Barao, of course, famously dropped his first fight as a professional and has since earned 28-straight wins. He debuted for Zuffa with a pair of WEC wins and now has three-straight UFC victories under his belt. He's a consensus top-10 bantamweight according to MMA pundits, and the win over Jorgensen only serves to reinforce that assessment. Yet with just two main-card appearances to date, he has yet to really resonate among casual MMA fans.
Determining a logical next fight for Barao is difficult, but waiting to meet the winner of April's UFC 145 bout between Michael McDonald and Miguel Torres would seem to have the most appeal, not to mention opportunity for advancement. The fight seems especially reasonable when you consider former top 135-pounders Joseph Benavidez and Demetrious Johnson are making the move to flyweight, and former champ Brian Bowles is coming off of a loss.
In the meantime, current bantamweight champ Dominick Cruz has a summer meeting with fellow "The Ultimate Fighter 15" coach Urijah Faber on the horizon. Barao said he'd prefer to wait in the wings for the winner of that fight.
"The title is my goal," Barao said. "I train every day, and I'm ready for it."
"The objective is to fight for the belt, whoever it is – Dominick Cruz or whoever stands in line. I'm here for it."
As Chael Sonnen has proved in recent years, MMA is as much about entertainment as it is sport. Barao doesn't speak English, and his exposure to the U.S. audience has been limited thus far. In short, he's still a relative unknown to many.
But with Brazil quickly become the new Mecca for the sport, perhaps his countrymen can help rush Barao's run to the top.
"In Brazil, he's not flying under the radar," White said. "In Brazil, everybody's buzzing about that guy."
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UFC 143 winner Josh Koscheck (17-5 MMA, 15-5 UFC) dropped the first hint of trouble at this past Thursday's pre-fight press conference, when he talked about the importance of "Team Me."
Following his split-decision win over Mike Pierce at Saturday's event in Las Vegas, Koscheck opened the flood gates.
"I'll be training out of Fresno for now," Koscheck told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "I'm no longer affiliated with some of the people at the gym that I've been training at."
"That gym," of course, is American Kickboxing Academy, where Koscheck has long honed his craft. Koscheck made his way up the ranks alongside fellow AKA welterweights Jon Fitch (23-4-1 MMA, 13-2-1 UFC) and Mike Swick, and the family feel of the team lead to controversial fallouts with UFC president Dana White when the triumvirate refused to fight each other.
Recently, however, there have been rumblings of some discontent. Longtime AKA grappling coach Dave Camarillo left the gym in late 2011, and it appears Koscheck is now doing the same.
"It was a tough camp," Koscheck said. "This is my last camp there. I'm going to do my own thing."
Koscheck didn't have his best performance on Saturday night. Pierce controlled the early action with his grinding clinch game and actually got the best of the first-round striking, as well. However, Koscheck came alive in the final two frames, scoring a few takedowns of his own and picking up the pace with his hands.
He still didn't really pull away from his opponent, but he did do enough to earn a razor-thin split-decision win. After the fight, Koscheck admitted he wasn't at his best when the opening bell rang.
"I kind of knew coming into this fight it was going to be slow-paced – he was going to put me up against the cage and kind of try to get a decision," Koscheck said. "To be honest, I really didn't have too much hype to fight him. This was like, 'Alright, we'll fight,' and it showed tonight.
"He came out and fought well. I pulled it out, I think, with just the wrestling aspect of it at the end of the rounds there and got the takedowns."
Koscheck currently owns an AKA affiliate gym in Fresno, Calif., and it's unclear if the apparent ongoing conflicts will affect any type of licensing agreement with the two gyms. But when Koscheck hinted of the split, hardcore fans immediately began to wonder if the once-taboo matchups between AKA's longtime fighters might finally become a reality.
White admitted it instantly crossed his mind, as well.
"That's what I whispered to him," White told MMAjunkie.com. "I said, 'Now I'm doing the Jon Fitch fight.' That's what I said to him. He said, 'Good luck with that.'"
White, who said he was a little disappointed in a "flat" Koscheck performance, later clarified he was just joking, but he also didn't rule out the potential for arranging a Fitch-Koscheck meeting at some point.
"If the fight made sense, because there was a time when those two were both going [up], but if the fight made sense, yeah, I'd try to make it," White said. "I wouldn't do it just to do it."
With the win, Koscheck is now 5-1 in his past six fights, with the lone loss coming in a December 2010 title fight against champ Georges St-Pierre. His next step is unclear, though he's suggested potential matchups at 185 pounds while also angling for a shot at new interim champ Carlos Condit.
In the meantime, Koscheck settled on looking for silver linings and said he's hoping to quickly get back to work.
"Within about a year-and-a-half now, I've only fought a total of four minutes," Koscheck said. "It was good for me to get in there and get a good 15 minutes back in and get my groove going and get my pace. I'm looking for the next opportunity to fight again."
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Cesar Gracie blasted the judging of the three cageside officials charged with scoring UFC 143's main event matchup between Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit, calling the trio "a perfect storm of incompetence."
In the now controversial interim welterweight title bout, Gracie's longtime protege Diaz lost a unanimous decision 49-46, 49-46, 48-47 as scored by Cecil Peoples, Patricia Morse-Jarman and Junichiro Kamijo, respectively.
Gracie took major exception to the scoring of the first round, which many observers scored for Diaz.
"I literally just got off my computer to watch that first round again," he said on Monday's edition of The MMA Hour. "And I thought, you'd have to be insane to think a guy chasing the other guy down, landing the significant punches, and running after a guy, trying to fight a guy who will not fight, that is scared to fight, and you lose? How do I tell my fighter what he should have done better? It takes two men to fight. If one guy doesn't fight, that should be a point deducted."
Gracie said that the judges' scoring might have been personal rather than unbiased.
"I don't think the judges like Nick," he said. "He comes off, he talks in the ring… Carlos was running at one point, and Nick slapped him in the face said, 'Quit running.' We were there for a dogfight. Carlos said he’d provide for the fans a dogfight, a great fight where they were going to go at it. That was not a dogfight. It takes two to make a dogfight. One guy running away is not a dogfight.
"I don't know what the judges were looking at," he continued. "They’ve never liked Nick in Vegas. They've never voted for him in a decision. The only one was the BJ Penn fight, and he almost had to kill BJ to get that one. I don't think they like his attitude, a guy that's going to go out there and talk. I think they think he's disrespectful. They're going to find a reason to judge against him. I don't think he can get fair judging in that state at all."
Judges are independently appointed by each state's athletic commission. Last Saturday night's fight marked the fifth time Diaz has fought to a decision in Nevada, and he has lost four of them. In addition to the Condit bout, he lost three-rounders to Joe Riggs, Diego Sanchez and Karo Parisyan, with all three of those bouts coming between 2004-2006.
Gracie held back on criticism of Condit, except to say that he was "disappointed" in the way he fought after promising a war, but placed the blame for that on Condit's coaching staff.
"It's one thing to avoid standing in the pocket, it's one thing to know how to dodge punches and kicks, and be somewhat elusive and have great defense," he said. "It’s another thing to turn your back and run from a fighter. That's completely different. You shouldn't be telling your fighter to fight like that. I think it's a disgrace and a shame. I've said this before: I don't like that camp. I'm not going to take that back."
After the fight, Diaz said he might be done with mixed martial arts. Gracie has yet to speak with him in any depth about his future, but said he could understand Diaz's frustration in the moment.
Some have wondered whether an instant rematch would lure Diaz back. On Monday, Condit's manager Malki Kawa told MMA Fighting that his side wasn't interested in that.
That came as no surprise to Gracie.
"Of course they're not interested in a rematch," he said. "They lost the first one."
Gracie said he has yet to hear anything from UFC officials regarding a rematch, but that he would be on board for it. One prerequisite? A new location.
"The whole judging criteria is so flawed, and that these guys don't have anyone to answer to," he said. "Once they're in there, they're not getting reviewed. You're going to get fired because you're obviously an incompetent judge? That doesn't happen. It's like the Supreme Court. You're in there for life. You can do whatever you want and you can tell everybody basically to 'F off' if they don't like it. It's a position of total power. They're making decisions that are ruining the sport and are ridiculous. No one’s going to get them out of there. It's absurd if you think about it."
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Following Josh Koscheck‘s win at UFC 143 on Saturday night over Mike Pierce, the former ‘Ultimate Fighter’ season 1 competitor revealed at the post fight press conference that he had split with his longtime team at American Kickboxing Academy and immediately the MMA world was taken back.
Fighters switching teams or working with different training camps is nothing new, but Koscheck had been a mainstay of the San Jose based gym literally for every fight since season one of the reality show, which took place nearly 8 years ago.
It was for that very reason that when he announced the split, everyone was asking why? What happened that would cause Koscheck the team he had such deep rooted seeds with?
Well, truth be told Koscheck didn’t leave his entire team. As a matter of fact, his training partners are still very much a part of his family and his team.
“First and foremost, my teammates over there at AKA in San Jose are my brothers. I love those guys. 8 years, we’ve basically trained ourselves and got us to the level that we are and we’ve all relied on each other and those guys are forever going to be my teammates, I’m forever going to train with them, but I’m just not going to train in San Jose with them,” Koscheck told MMAWeekly.com in an exclusive interview on Sunday.
“I’ll invite them and I’ll pay them to come to train in Fresno with me when I have fight camps and that type of thing. Those guys are my family. Bob Cook, Dave Camarillo, I’m still going to be managed by Zinkin Entertainment, Bob Cook will still be in my corner and coaching me, he’ll come here a couple days a week and train with me, Dave Camarillo will come here a couple days, and I think I’m going to be better off.”
So what was the driving force behind Koscheck’s exit from American Kickboxing Academy if it wasn’t his teammates or two of his lead coaches?
“There’s one reason I’m leaving San Jose AKA and that’s because of Javier Mendez,” Koscheck stated. “He’s the only reason I’m leaving that gym. It almost hurts me because I love training with those guys, I love training with (Jon) Fitch, and (Mike) Swick and Cain (Velasquez) and (Daniel) Cormier, and (Justin) Wilcox and all those guys, they are my brothers, and it hurts me to have to make this decision for me because the fact that it’s like splitting up the family.”
Javier Mendez is the founder of American Kickboxing Academy and one of the lead trainers, but according to Koscheck his influence became more about his own fame than actually helping the fighters at the gym reach the next level.
Koscheck says the rift with Mendez started all the way back in 2008 after he took a fight with Thiago Alves at UFC 90 on short notice. Koscheck lost the fight by unanimous decision, but it was his coach’s comments afterwards that made his ears perk up a little bit.
“This goes back from quite a bit, and history repeats itself. Whenever you have a guy for example whenever I had the loss against (Thiago) Alves and I took the fight on short notice with him, and after the fight I had a lot of friends come up to me and calling me saying ‘have you read this interview with Javier Mendez?’ and talking about me and my game plan,” Koscheck said.
“So I went online and I read this interview and I started to notice after all my teammates lost, it was the same thing. They didn’t listen to the game plan, that he deferred it away from himself, and he threw us under the bus basically saying that we didn’t listen to him and he tries to make himself look good, so it doesn’t reflect on him us losing.”
The philosophy that Koscheck follows, along with most fighters in MMA, is you win as a team, you lose as a team and no one component is more important than another.
He says that stopped being the case at AKA where Mendez put the focus on himself and not on the fighters any longer, or at least when dealing with Koscheck. He also points out that the team at AKA was built by his managers, and had little to do with Mendez’s influence.
“It’s because DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook recruited us to go there. That’s the only reason that everybody’s there, it’s not because of Javier Mendez, it’s not because of the gym AKA, it’s because of DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook, they built this thing. They brought the best guys in the world together,” Koscheck revealed.“I’ve lost a lot of respect for Javier Mendez as a coach, as a person, because if you go back and listen to the history of the interviews of him after AKA guys have lost, the interviews he does, go back and look at the Cain Velasquez (fight), go back and look at the Josh Koscheck (fight), the other guys on that team, and see if you can find interviews where he refers to ‘Oh I did my job’ to make himself look good and they didn’t do theirs. That’s not a coach.”
To emphasize his point, Koscheck points towards the positive relationship he’s maintained with his coach and manager Bob Cook along with jiu-jitsu instructor Dave Camarillo. The former NCAA champion still works with both, and will continue to do so despite his exit from AKA.
“Bob Cook and Dave Camarillo they’re always responsible and they take their share of wins and losses and that’s what you’ve got to love about those guys,” stated Koscheck. “Bob Cook and Dave Camarillo, they’re loyal. You lose, guess what it was all of our faults, they take the brunt of that. Javier is more concerned about the camp, and looking good, and who’s going to be the next guy to bring him money. I just can’t be around that anymore.”
Camarillo actually also recently parted ways with AKA to focus on his own gyms, but stated he was still going to be working with some of the fighters like Koscheck and fellow welterweight Jon Fitch.
For his fight on Saturday night, Koscheck admits that his training camp was a rocky place where he felt he had no home. In his bout with Mike Pierce, the former welterweight title contender looked flat at certain times and just didn’t seem himself inside the cage.
The end result was still a win, but it wasn’t the way that Koscheck wanted to perform.
“It was a horrible training camp because of that. I basically trained myself the whole last training camp. Actually more than that, it’s been the last 3 or 4 training camps, I trained myself. So it’s like why be away from Fresno where I have two gyms I build, I have an amazing house, I have amazing family here and friends, and people that support me here. I can’t do that. Had I stayed there my career would only be one or two more fights,” Koscheck admitted.
“There was a lot of poison going on around there and I’m really disappointed because we had a good thing going. It was a good thing and I think people’s egos got in the way. Well, not people just Javier, his ego got in the way, and too many cameras in the gym and him trying to build himself up and his brand, his AKA brand, which is fine I understand that, but it should never take precedence over training guys. As a head coach of a gym and he says he’s the man, he’s the boss over there, he should have the responsibility to make the fighters as best as we possibly could be, but he never did that.”
Koscheck does give Pierce credit for being a great opponent and coming to fight, but simply said that wasn’t the same fighter that knocked out Matt Hughes five months earlier.
“Mike Pierce is a tough fighter, I’m not taking anything away from him, but I feel like I felt at 20-percent. I cruised, I was just like out there to fight just to get another win. I wasn’t myself,” Koscheck stated.
“I think it affected me a lot. I knew I was going to make this announcement after the fight, I obviously wanted to win and have that opportunity to make that announcement at the press conference. I was going to do it in the Octagon. There’s a lot of emotion in this because this has been my life for 8 years. Since I’ve been in the UFC and started my career training, I’ve been there and I don’t know anything different. It’s going to be a new change and a new chapter for me. New beginnings.”
With new beginnings on his mind, Koscheck is looking forward to his future in Fresno inside of his own gym. Currently, Koscheck owns and operates AKA Fresno, which obviously is a namesake of the gym started by Mendez in San Jose.
“I’m not sure yet. I have to sit down and talk with the attorneys on that, but that will all play out when the time comes,” Koscheck said about the name of his gym.
“I’m not really concerned about trying to create a camp, it’s going to happen. I get paid pretty well so I’ll pay guys to come in and train with me for a few weeks. If any fighters want to come train, my doors are open, I’ll give them a free place to live, and a great training atmosphere.”
The great training atmosphere is what Koscheck says he was missing at AKA literally for the last couple of years. He says it’s been two years since he actually received coaching from Mendez, and now with the toxic environment continuing to fester, it was time to move on.
If there’s one thing that Koscheck wants to stress about his exit from AKA is that it does not extend to his teammates and training partners from the gym.
“Those guys are my brothers. They’ll be in my wedding, I know Fitch is going to have a baby soon, I’m going to go up there the day he has his baby, that’s my family. That’s my adopted family. We’ve bled together for 8 years, that ain’t changing,” said Koscheck.
“I’m still going to train with them, but I will never step foot in AKA in San Jose again.”
And as far as the questions about Koscheck now fighting his longtime teammate and close friend Jon Fitch? Well, don’t get your hopes up on that one either.
“That ain’t ever going to happen,” said Koscheck. “I’ll move up a weight class or I’ll just quit. Dana White, he’s great about it, he was joking with me at the press conference and I joked with him back and I said ‘good luck with that one buddy’.
“If me and Fitch became the No. 1 contenders, if we were fighting edge to edge for the title for the No. 1 contender, then I could see why Dana would say ‘yeah you guys need to fight’ but I would probably just end up walking away from the sport. Because it doesn’t mean that much to me to fight a friend.”
Koscheck plans on reaching out to all his friends and teammates from AKA because they are still his family, and he plans on keeping them as such. His reason for leaving is singular, and it goes no further than that.
“Javier Mendez is the only reason I’m leaving,” Koscheck said in closing.
The former ‘Ultimate Fighter’ winner will take some time to rest up after his win on Saturday night, and then hit the gym again at his new home in Fresno to wait for the call from the UFC to get back in the Octagon again, for the first time ever as Team Koscheck instead of Team AKA.
Spoiler:
In the hours after Carlos Condit's close but unanimous decision win over Nick Diaz at UFC 143, UFC president Dana White seemed to warm up to the possibility of a rematch between the two. After all, it may be nine months or more until division champion Georges St-Pierre returns to fight the interim champion, a lengthy wait.
But at least for now, the Condit camp seems uninterested in the possibility of Condit-Diaz II. On Monday afternoon, his manager Malki Kawa told MMA Fighting that the new interim champion would be much more likely to set his sights on unifying the interim and linear titles.
"At this point, [a rematch] is not something we’re looking to do," he said. "We're looking for Georges. People forget, Carlos waited a long time to get this fight. He was moved around, and shuffled around between fights. He won the fight. It doesn't interest us at all. I think clearly and decisively, he won the fight. Even [UFC president] Dana [White] scored it for him. All of the opinions that matter scored Carlos as winner."
In addition to pointing out the unanimous judges' decision as well as White's opinion, Kawa noted that fight statistics showed Condit out-landing Diaz. FightMetric stats had Condit landing 159 total strikes, and Diaz landing 117.
"It was a performance that was excellent," Kawa said. "He picked apart a very formidable fighter. Two judges saw it four rounds to one, and one saw it three to two. The fact that he didn't stand and bang with him? I'm sorry, not every fighter has to do that. He did what he had to do, and that goes to show me that this guy is mature, he's fighting fights that are smart.
"People are like, 'Oh, Carlos is not a finisher,'" he continued. "The guy threw how many spinning elbows? How many spinning back fists? He threw a flying knee. He tried to finish Nick Diaz when the time and the opening was there. I can't find a flaw in his performance."
Even in defeat, Diaz managed to steal the spotlight from Condit by saying he would retire due to his frustration with the judging. Kawa said that was no concern of Condit's, whose only goal has been to be the champion.
After a six-month training cycle due to various opponent switches, Condit will take some time off before he finalizes his next move.
"Carlos is a fighter," Kawa said. "At the end of the day, this is not a guy who wants to sit around and wait. He wants to fight. You never know. Right now, the idea is that we want Georges St-Pierre. The goal is to fight Georges St-Pierre. He wants to be the best in the world, so that's the fight that interests us at this moment."
And as for a rematch first?
For now, forget it. Though it's ultimately Condit's decision, his manager and advisor isn't keen on it.
"The fans disagree [with the decision] because they got hyped up to see Nick & Georges fight each other," Kawa said. "Well, let them fight each other. We’ve moved on."
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The full list included: Carlos Condit: Suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 due to a right-cheek laceration Fabricio Werdum: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to a right-quadriceps contusion, though a doctor can clear him early; regardless, suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 for precautionary reasons Roy Nelson: Suspended until April 5 due to a forehead laceration Mike Pierce: Suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 due to a right-eye laceration Scott Jorgensen: Suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 for precautionary reasons Clifford Starks: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to a left-hand/finger injury, though a doctor can clear him early following an X-ray Ed Herman: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to possible injuries to both hands, though a doctor can clear him early; regardless, suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 for precautionary reasons Max Holloway: Suspended until Feb. 26 with no contact until Feb. 19 due to a right-eye laceration Alex Cacaeres: Suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 for precautionary reasons Edwin Figueroa: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to a groin injury, though a doctor can clear him early; regardless, suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 for precautionary reasons Chris Cope: Suspended until April 5 with no contact until March 21 for precautionary reasons Matt Riddle: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to a broken right-index finger, though a doctor can clear him early; regardless, suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 26 due to a left-eye laceration Henry Martinez: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to a possible right-foot injury, though a doctor can clear him early; regardless, suspended until March 21 with no contact until March 6 due to a left-nasal laceration Michael Kuiper: Suspended until Aug. 3 due to a possible left-foot injury, though a doctor can clear him early; regardless, suspended until March 6 with no contact until Feb. 25 for precautionary reasons Dan Stittgen: Suspended until March 21 with no contact until March 6 for precautionary reasons
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A good night's sleep has dulled anger within the Diaz camp.
Diaz (27-8 MMA, 7-5 UFC) manager Cesar Gracie doesn't know whether the fighter's retirement will stick following a decision loss to Carlos Condit (28-5 MMA, 5-1 UFC), but he anticipates it won't.
"I think Nick will miss fighting when he's not doing it for long enough, so I do see him coming back at some point," Gracie today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "Not now, but maybe end of the year, 2013, something like that."
In UFC 143's headliner, Condit earned a unanimous decision over Diaz to become the UFC interim welterweight champion and set a fight with undisputed champ Georges St-Pierre sometime this year. The pay-per-view event took place this past Saturday at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.
Diaz said he would retire shortly after the decision was handed down. UFC president Dana White said he would understand if Diaz didn't wanted to retire, but also entertained the possibility of a rematch with Condit as St-Pierre healed from the torn ACL that scratched his scheduled meeting with Diaz and this past Saturday's event.
However, on Monday, Condit and his representatives weren't keen on the idea of an immediate rematch.
"That's fine," Gracie said. "I understand that. It's business. I think they want the GSP fight, and they understand that that's a very lucrative fight and it could have all kinds of beneficial ramifications for Condit.
"So he's looking at it from a monetary perspective. I didn't expect him to want a rematch, and the best thing right now is to just wish Carlos good luck."
A day earlier, Gracie wasn't as composed. He railed at the decision in an interview Monday with MMAFighting.com and accused judges of bias toward the former Strikeforce champion, whose personality is a polarizing force among fans.
Messages of outrage and support for the decision continue to pour onto social media sites, message boards and websites three days after the fight.
Gracie initially declined an interview with MMAjunkie.com, stating via text that he wanted to "lay low," but wrote he would try to talk Diaz out of retiring.
A day later, he's more optimistic that things will work out.
"Retirement means a lot of things," Gracie said. "It can mean you're done working for the rest of your life or it can mean something like what other people have done when they retire, just basically take time off and get out of the schedule. You retire for a set amount of time. I'm hoping it's that."
Gracie said that while he hasn't spoken to the UFC about Diaz, he has received calls from boxing promoters such as Top Rank that are interested in procuring the fighter's services. Before signing a lucrative deal with the UFC this past summer, Diaz signed a deal with promoter Don Chagrin for a possible fight with a top-ranked boxer.
However, the manager said Diaz hasn't expressed a desire to box since his unexpected announcement.
"They would love to see him go over there an box," Gracie said. "There's a lot of promoters who want him to do something like that, but right now, he's under contract with the UFC, so I don't think he could go to boxing even if he wanted to."
Gracie said that in a perfect world, Diaz would box and fight in the UFC. But he stressed the best thing for the fighter is time away from the sport.
Diaz's hasn't had more than six months off since he joined the ranks of Strikeforce in 2009, when the promotion purchased select fighter contracts from the ailing EliteXC. He often complained of burnout in the course of a streak that saw him win eight consecutive bouts and become one of the hottest commodities outside the UFC as the Strikeforce welterweight champion.
"He's had breaks before," Gracie said. "I think it was good for him. He focused on his triathlons. I think he does get antsy after a while. After about six months, the guy wants to fight. I think he's been fighting too many times, and I don't think he's got that in him right now. So I think an extended layoff would be a great idea for him."
Although off for now, a highly anticipated fight between Diaz and St-Pierre could happen in the future, the manager hoped. St-Pierre on Monday said he'd still like to fight Diaz, who brazenly called him out following a win over B.J. Penn at UFC 137.
"What people forget is Nick is only 28 years old," Gracie said. "He's a young guy at the peak of his career. He's a polarizing figure. But whether you love the guy or hate him, you want to see the guy fight. That's the biggest thing. He's definitely not boring. He puts people in the seats, and that's the bottom line.
"So a guy like that, he's going to be around, and I think the GSP fight will eventually happen someday."
Meanwhile, Gracie is moving on from his feelings while he waits to hear from Diaz.
"You can't change a decision," he said. "It's not going to happen, so why cry about it?"
Post subject: Re: [SPOILERS] UFC 143: Diaz vs. Condit [COMPETITION.RESULTS]
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:35 pm
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mr dab... let me explain this one.... PUNXN0TD34D is a 2nd account of my mine... my plan was to use that account to only pick the favourites for each card and use it as yardstick of sorts... thats why i dont include PUNXN0TD34D in the prize or winners lists... only the results list... and i fucked up... i forgot to put picks in for the 2nd or 3rd card of the year... and of course it was the one where alot of the favourites lost... so ignore the percentage because its higher than it should be... and he isnt eligible for highest percentage or belts or anything... so if he is beating you... maybe its time to start looking at betting odds before a competition...
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